Comments on: Tanzanian Community centre by Amerikis (America) Square in Athens vandalized by neonazis; immediate response with anti-nazi demonstration by anarchists, migrants and people in solidarity http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/ Irregular updates and articles on the situation in Greece, in English Thu, 23 May 2013 19:08:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Poisson Rouge » Sortez de votre bocal ! » Antigone antifasciste http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22122 Poisson Rouge » Sortez de votre bocal ! » Antigone antifasciste Tue, 09 Oct 2012 20:38:12 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-22122 [...] vous la fais brève. D’un côté, vous avez un parti d’extrême-droite dont les milices multiplient les agressions contre les immigrés à Athènes et dans toute la Grèce et dont les députés n’hésitent pas à étaler leur [...] [...] vous la fais brève. D’un côté, vous avez un parti d’extrême-droite dont les milices multiplient les agressions contre les immigrés à Athènes et dans toute la Grèce et dont les députés n’hésitent pas à étaler leur [...]

]]> By: Morgan http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21953 Morgan Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:19:44 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21953 Is the situation in Europe so bad for foreighners? I thought Europeans accomodated foreighners. Is the situation in Europe so bad for foreighners?

I thought Europeans accomodated foreighners.

]]> By: RanDomino http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21946 RanDomino Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:28:17 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21946 Holy shit, why would they call the police?? Holy shit, why would they call the police??

]]> By: 1942 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21938 1942 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:49:16 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21938 its your problem! its your problem!

]]> By: Ravachol http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21936 Ravachol Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:55:16 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21936 @ 1984. And that is exactly the problem. @ 1984. And that is exactly the problem.

]]> By: Athènes : Manifestation antifasciste/antirasciste à Patission « Contra Info http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21935 Athènes : Manifestation antifasciste/antirasciste à Patission « Contra Info Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:53:15 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21935 [...] et Lemessou, devant les bureaux de la communauté tanzanienne en Grèce qui a également été attaqué et saccagé hier par les néo-nazis voyous (voir la [...] [...] et Lemessou, devant les bureaux de la communauté tanzanienne en Grèce qui a également été attaqué et saccagé hier par les néo-nazis voyous (voir la [...]

]]> By: 1984 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21920 1984 Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:55:59 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21920 the War and the Riots are in the 20th century. so AntiFascism is their too! the War and the Riots are in the 20th century.

so AntiFascism is their too!

]]> By: Emmas Goldmann http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21915 Emmas Goldmann Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:11:23 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21915 Probably you are an Anarchist but truly of the ninteenth century. Have you realized, we are in the 21. century? Political opinions and ethics are not a subject of advertizing: "Come here, we got the bigger bread than the Nazis..". And second, convince the people to become anarchist? Is that what you dream of in the night? Maybe you are not an anarchist but an orthodox communist, like stalinist, trotzkist...These guys still believe in their political advertisement-shows. Probably you are an Anarchist but truly of the ninteenth century. Have you realized, we are in the 21. century? Political opinions and ethics are not a subject of advertizing: “Come here, we got the bigger bread than the Nazis..”.

And second, convince the people to become anarchist? Is that what you dream of in the night? Maybe you are not an anarchist but an orthodox communist, like stalinist, trotzkist…These guys still believe in their political advertisement-shows.

]]> By: Emmas Goldmann http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21913 Emmas Goldmann Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:51:49 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21913 Oh Mr. Berkman,the old enlightment Bullshit..... first, selfempoewerment has to be collectiv, never meant anything else. The greec nazis are paternalistic, that is what i meant with they feed and treat the people like beggars- it is not a collectiv selforganization. I am german, in my country we have experienced, that fascism is not a opinion. You can't convince a nazi. People who go to golden Dawn for bread are -of course- not all nazis but ever lost because it is more than only a opinion, which could be changed. Again we should stop, thinking in nations to win for anarchy, socialism and so on. People who are already socialists, anarchists have to organize and fight for space. Oh Mr. Berkman,the old enlightment Bullshit…..
first, selfempoewerment has to be collectiv, never meant anything else.
The greec nazis are paternalistic, that is what i meant with they feed and treat the people like beggars- it is not a collectiv selforganization.

I am german, in my country we have experienced, that fascism is not a opinion. You can’t convince a nazi. People who go to golden Dawn for bread are -of course- not all nazis but ever lost because it is more than only a opinion, which could be changed. Again we should stop, thinking in nations to win for anarchy, socialism and so on. People who are already socialists, anarchists have to organize and fight for space.

]]> By: Alexander Berkman http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/09/28/tanzanian-community-centre-by-amerikis-america-square-in-athens-vandalized-by-neonazis-immediate-response-with-anti-nazi-demonstration-by-anarchists-migrants-and-people-in-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-21895 Alexander Berkman Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:44:10 +0000 http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/?p=7031#comment-21895 The post by "Emma Goldman" is very bad. "The fascists feed the people like beggars. Communistst and Anarchists should’nt do this because it is about selforganization and selfempowerment." It is about COLLECTIVE self-empowerment and COLLECTIVE self-organisation, everyone helping one another. Not standing aloof, judging them like a bourgoise moralist and justifying your inactivity by saying they should "help themselves." "People, who go to Golden Dawn have ever been lost for solidarity and socialism." People who go to the Golden Dawn for bread as an alternative to starvation are not necessarily lost, neither are people who have been on unemployment benefit or who have worked for a wage. "If most of the people will turn to Golden Dawn, there is nothing more to do in Greece." And what will cause them to turn to Golden Dawn? Magic? People will only turn to the Golden Dawn if anarchists and communists fail to show that their ideas offer people anything. If the Golden Dawn are supporting people materially and anarchists are turning their noses up at people and refusing to help, then yes, unsurprisingly support for the GD will rise and support for anarchists will shrink. Personally, i doubt "Emma Goldman" is an anarchist or a communist at all. The post by “Emma Goldman” is very bad.

“The fascists feed the people like beggars. Communistst and Anarchists should’nt do this because it is about selforganization and selfempowerment.”

It is about COLLECTIVE self-empowerment and COLLECTIVE self-organisation, everyone helping one another. Not standing aloof, judging them like a bourgoise moralist and justifying your inactivity by saying they should “help themselves.”

“People, who go to Golden Dawn have ever been lost for solidarity and socialism.”

People who go to the Golden Dawn for bread as an alternative to starvation are not necessarily lost, neither are people who have been on unemployment benefit or who have worked for a wage.

“If most of the people will turn to Golden Dawn, there is nothing more to do in Greece.”

And what will cause them to turn to Golden Dawn? Magic? People will only turn to the Golden Dawn if anarchists and communists fail to show that their ideas offer people anything. If the Golden Dawn are supporting people materially and anarchists are turning their noses up at people and refusing to help, then yes, unsurprisingly support for the GD will rise and support for anarchists will shrink.

Personally, i doubt “Emma Goldman” is an anarchist or a communist at all.

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